There has not been a frank identification of the flaw in the system that produced the horrific results. Also it is not where you sit in rows and hear a weekly lecture. Did MD admit to being WWII under duress or was that more mischief from Dark Miscoll? Are you not voting? The virus is having a wonderful time right now spreading through this country, taking advantage of circumstances where people have let their guard go down. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? I have learned much on this blog and often from your comments which are intelligent and insightful. In case this was not a rhetorical question, Che was tots adorbs. IMO, They are still who they are. Like I said, I dont want to get into an argument here. Please call upon Jesus today, you will be very glad you did! Analogously, there are certain qualities that police forces screen for, to hopefully screen out bullies who want a uniform. If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. Sure, It is very reasonable for kind folK to see something, anything, that looks like actual remorse before they think its ok for them (missive pastors) to go back to influencing the lives of the folks that they wish to shepherd. I dont think it is realistic. It seems foolish from a marketing and business view to alienate over half your customers.. We are passionate about . Sovereign Grace Ministries Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. A grunge rock Lord Byron mad, bad and dangerous to know. Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. You said again twice. But here is the underlying issue: we in evangelical Christianity have become so good at eisogeting the scriptures (reading ourselves into the story) it has gotten to the point of narcissism, or as one preacher puts it, narcigesis., Dont believe me? It is certainly understandable we would see it differently. We hunkered down and prepared ourselves for the impact of Mark Driscolls threat. Dont get Left Behind. But that does not restore the trust in the relationship, and trust is the blood of good relationships. The world has a lot higher standards and integrity than the whole xtian celebrity machine put together, and the internet helps everyone to see that. Well, we can handle the truth. Oh no. I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. Lindell hit two main points: the Bible is clear in its condemnation of homosexuality as sin and the ordinance is an infringement on the religious rights of Christians who believe so. Or is it just a GW thing? Likewise, you cannot be or stay a pastor if you find out that you cant respect people. I arrived a little late here, and this has likely already been mentioned (I havent read all comments). How about the demon trials? The ones leaving arent stupid. He was an abusing thug. As a follow-up (Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2015), Hillsong conference shows interview with controversial US Pastor, Mark Driscoll see link I am not the most wonderful guy in the world, i am not a saint, but when i asked Jesus to forgive me and fill me with His Spirit i changed inside. actually, i still think mark has a phenomena called mixture of spirits that derek prince wrote about. I really do believe that Driscoll has sociopathic tendencies. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. At least at one point, women made up about 50% to 50% of most churches. If not, why not? Otherwise, quit calling those 40 pastors and all those victims liars. "Martin Luther, the great reformer, said this: 'If you preach the gospel in all aspects with the exception of the issues which deal specifically with your time you are not preaching the gospel at all.' excerpts from rob smiths post :https://musingsfromunderthebus.wordpress.com/2015/02/13/mars-hill-church-true-religion-does-not-abandon-orphans-and-widows-in-their-distress/. However, with such a massive back door spanning 15 years, I still think more exiles should be speaking up for the good of the current and future naives. For mr. driscoll to change the whole meaning of this into the sponge was probably really used as toilet paper because he did some study in some far away country is to bring doubt to Gods prophecies and the fulfilment of them. Associating with Driscoll might make them feel younger and edgy. We are believing this 5-day event will change your life! An online petition calling for Mr Driscoll to be removed from Hillsong's conferences had attracted more than 3000 signatures prior toMr Houston's statement. Dont give into his deception. Doing well as opposed to what? I would argue the reverse. I recently had coffee with a staunch Mark Driscoll supporter who has chided any criticism of Mark Driscoll and strongly challenged me for every apparent infraction of the last year, yet at the same time vigorously excused or defended every one of Driscolls mistakes. The supporter said some awful things about me and Agathos, particularly its misuse of funds. Not me, not you, and definitely not Mark Driscoll. That got my attention as I was reading the comments yesterday evening. It didnt occur to me because I havent seen that modeled in a very long time. Why would either (or any) group that knew him in his previous state ever trust him without lots of evidence of change. James River Church Online - Christian Church - Springfield, MO Not that I dont admire Saul/Paul. The Jews in Damascus want to kill him and he is snuck out of town by believers. These Pentecostals keep insisting that almost everything written on the internet about Mark Driscoll isnt even close to the truth. LOL! Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. In your mega travels Lydia, is this homogenization of bad practices the norm? You can learn a lot about someones character from how they treat those who are below them in status. . http://www.richmond.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/article_4d131547-f913-5d43-bfc5-5a292f4c27e1.html, What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. The hyper romanticized cinematic version of the uber cool Che trumps the reality of his bloody terrorist tactics and the horrors and oppression that his brand of communism inflicted on others. When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. Welcome to the James River Church YouTube Channel where you will find weekly encouraging sermons from Pastor John Lindell and others! shuning is not always done professionally as in TVC but so often done whisperingly in churches but the effect is the same to the person shunned. My great concern is that people leaving megas to find these narrow gate churches are used to high level spiritainment and may not feel able to reduce their standards to go to a small church. If so you may be onto something. In their case, they just use Jesus as marketing tool to sell their own image.It is not like they have not had access to truth. The point of closed systems is to keep them closed. They didnt fail. until he apologizes to the elders and church members he hurt so badly i dont think there will be a true repentance that God can use. Visitors are given special parking spaces, valets to accommodate them, some mega even have special VIP seating. For more information about James River Church and to get connected, click the link below! "We all have desires that are warped as a result of our fallen nature: pride, selfishness, greed, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness, lust, envy, covetousness, chemical addiction," Lindell said. . in the first years of the organinazation they didnt do anything without consensus because they believed that if they were a group of believers the Lord would make them of the same agreement on specific issues and if they didnt reach agreement there was a reason that needed to be looked at. 13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. I hope others will join in at places like this blog and help shed light on local megas in their area. starting to act animalistic the resistance is increasing, how will stephen respond?. After witnessing Philips miracles, he tried to buy the power with his money. There is an old belief in bapto-evangelico circles that one of the criticisms that could for sure be said against certain other christian religious traditions is that they have priests and we do not, because they let the priests tell them what to do and influence them too much but in our way of doing things that does not happen. until he says otherwise what else can a person think? I have always found this aspect of Pauls story very interesting. Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. of course i have no idea really what is driving mark driscoll but thats what i think it might be. Youre right. then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: 34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. He is listening for your litl sweet voice! Or that they were called to be what they are. "Join us as we welcome guest speaker, Pastor Mark Driscoll, while he presents Paul the ForgivenPastor Mark Driscoll speaks from Acts 6:8-15 to discuss the importance of forgiveness in our own lives through the example of the Apostle Paul. I strongly recommend the brief article by Jon Zens at Searching Together entitled Going to the Root Mark Driscoll and the Celebrity System. They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. The church, according to the web site, was founded by three individuals, Mark Driscoll, Leif Moi and Mike Gunn.
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